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Kyparite: The New Pyrite


Mommar here.

If you were like me during cataclysm you heavily invested in Pyrite Ore.   With the tantalizing hints that Epic gems might be prospected from the ore,  players went heavily into the red after liquidating their assets.

Kyparite ore is already shaping up to be very similar in investment potential.   It's used in purchasing patterns from the Klaxxi quartermaster.  It's also used to craft some of the 463 weapons such as the Masterwork Phantasmal Hammer.   Engineers can even use this ore to craft a engineering mount (Depleted-Kyparium Rocket).   Jewelcrafters even have the option of prospecting these for gems.  With a higher percentage of Mid range gems being prospected overall.

So the question for investing is what will become of this ore?   The odds are very slim that it will be used for Epic Gems.  The Cataclysm expansion version of delivering epic gems encouraged players to run higher level raids instead of just sitting in their home towns and prospecting for profit.   Many of the Professions are built to get players out to invest time in leveling.  Currently the only two major professions that can be leveled to their maximum without stepping out into Pandaria is Alchemy and Inscription. (technically engineering can be leveled to 600 without any need to enter Pandaria but the materials necessary are so heinous that it isn't a useful part of the conversation for now).

With Ghost Iron ore hovering around the 2.5-3.0g mark on many servers,  it starts to look at being an option of investing some gold in Kyparite ore for now.   Keeping an eye on deals that might arrive,  or taking a larger effort to farm your own could become profitable in the long run.

We do not know what other tricks and treats will be brought on with future expansions,  but planning ahead with picking up deals on Kyparite ore can add to your coffers and your profits.

Good Luck and Good Hunting




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The Pyrite Experiment


As players start to progress towards the ending of an expansion.  The normal routes towards gold making start to slow down or dry up.   Inferno Rubies selling at 80g per,  Armor patches selling for 300g.  Epic items dropping to half the price they were since their original patch introduction.  

Some gold goblins at this point are rolling up their tents and taking their wowcations.   This isn't a bad idea for some because it's becoming more and more difficult to keep the expected market incomes grinding into our coffers.   

Other goblins are looking to squeak out as much profit as they can from revisited markets.  One of them came to mind was the pyrite ore market.

If you remember at the beginning,  lots of speculation was given to the idea that epic gems would become available through the prospecting of pyrite ore.   When patch 4.3 PTR patches were introduced a collective 'ugh' was heard through all the prospectors.   Many were caught with their pants down and overstocked with pyrite ore in their guild banks.   But the cost of ore didn't stumble as fast as it probably should have.   There were still demand for the ore and for products that it was used for (Ebonsteel belt buckles and Truegold especially).  The market seemed to hover between 5 to 8 gold per ore (100g to 160g per stack).

The pyrite market seems to be coming down now to where it becomes more interesting on using it for production of income.   With some servers having their pyrite ore at 2.5g to 4g per (50g to 80g per stack) this makes it much more interesting to add more income to your coffers.   

Pyrite ore is very useful for not just the previous production of Ebonsteel belt buckles and Truegold but also the return of the Obsidium/Elementium Shuffle.   With storing up enchanting materials such as Heavenly Shards and Greater Celestial Essence for MOP, selling to enchanters both generating scrolls and leveling their professions to a maximum level is a reopening market to take advantage of.

Prospecting of pyrite ore creates Volatile Earth. The Volatile Earth market has taken a nosedive in the markets along with many of the other volatiles.   The question to consider is that will these recover when MOP is released and there is less production through transmutes by alchemist and prospecting.  Volatile Earth is going to be one of the cheapest volatiles used to level professions come MOP.  And with the large amount of new MOP players wanting to level their crafters,  just about everything will be in demand.

What other markets should be looked at to rediscover lost profits?  

Good Luck and Good Hunting

Want to get in contact with me? . Email me at Dragonbearjoe @ gmail. dOT com or find me on twitter at "@Dragonbearjoe" or leave a comment here. You can find me hanging out on the Shandris Server, chat me up and I will buy you a glass of juice. 

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Epic Gem Speculation, Not just for Breakfast Anymore



The Free online Dictionary at TheFreeDictionary.com gives the basic definition of speculation.

Engagement in risky business transactions on the chance of quick or considerable profit.

To the world of warcraft auction power seller.  This is the bread and butter of their fortune.   Some of the biggest sellers have discussed having over 35% of their income created in the first few days of new content patches.  Or major changes in the economy.

In this case we're going to center in on jewelcrafting and epic gems.   Both for the jewelcrafter and the non jewelcrafter.    It's important to understand that speculation is a high risk,  high reward scenario.   You can win big such as for glyphmas,  the introduction of new glyph slots for every character. It's also possible to lose big,  such as those that purchased multiple amounts of scarlet rubies waiting to transmute them to epic gems at the last patch of wrath.  Finding out that the transmute limitations were not removed as previously been speculated.  This is where you take chances and you enjoy why speculating can be very addicting win or lose. 

So let's get to the nuts and bolts of what we are speculating with Patch 4.3.

To understand logical speculation study the past and how patches have changed when it comes to epic gems.  Not just the raw gems themselves,  but also the recipes.  For many,  the recipes will be just as valuable to have as the gems themselves.

With Burning Crusade,   Epic gems were first drops from  raid and Heroic instance  bosses.  More powerful gem patterns were able to be purchased with Reputation rewards from Scale of the Sands Vendors.    Added in a later patch were vendors for the Shattered Sun Offensive.   Both of these required work and running instance or raids multiple times to get them.  (They were never an automatic drop except the last boss of the heroic instance or from a raid boss).

Why is this important to know?   Because it created a  limited amount of Gems on the Auction house.  Raiders purchased these quickly while the regular average player didn't spend the money it cost to buy them.    The Uncommon cuts still dominated sales due to supply and demand.

The warcraft expansion Wrath of the Lich King created a much different Jewelcrafting atmosphere.  Epic Gems were able to be acquired through multiple abilities. They were able to be mined from Titanium nodes (an ore that was introduced in patch 3.01 but the gems themselves were not available to patch 3.2).    Epic gems were also prospectable  by  jewelcrafters from the same ore.  Gems could later be purchased with Badges of Justice  and Honor Points in future patches.

It's important in this case to see that the creators of the game presented not just the ore to produce the epic gems from the start of the expansion.  But also gave multiple ways to propagate gems to even the average players.   Alchemists created Prisms that would give them the opportunity for epic gems.  They could directly transmute one gem per 20 hour period through a mix of gathered materials.    This caused a larger amount of the blank gems to be available to crafters  

Jewelcrafters were required to spend tokens earned via daily quests.   This gave them access to the patterns to cut the gem blanks and sell on the Auction House.   Also made available was the selling of titanium powder (Prospected from titanium ore) to further obtain tokens.   Purchasing all the epic patterns available a Jewelcrafter had to turn in (47 patterns x 4 tokens = 188 tokens).     PVP Jewel crafting Gem patterns  were also available for purchase from marks of wintergrasp (later to be converted to honor points). The Patterns were Bind on Pickup but the crafted gems were sellable on the Auction House.

In this case it's important to see that these gems had both multiple access points to get raw gems,  but crafted items always circled around the jewelcrafter.    With the introduction of all patterns needing to be purchased via Jewelcrafting tokens,  it created a balanced setting.   Do the dailies or prospect/purchase the titanium dust to get access to the patterns.  To many non raiding crafters it gave the opportunity to even the playing field for money making opportunities.

With the Cataclysm expansion,  the lessons of the past will spur the speculation of the future events.  It's assumed that patch 4.3 will be what introduces Epic Gems into the world. And the speculation has to start from there.  

So let use what we learned from the past from the game developers to come up with some logical conclusions.    Developers of warcraft have stated many times they want to give access to items for everyone.  So to me this would eliminate the idea of just having raw gems being mined or dropped from Raid only bosses/areas.

Developers have yet to ever have raid level gems accessible only through world drops. With the WOTLK expansion they used the Jewelcrafting token system to propagate the patterns to all jewelcrafters.    To me this created the best balance because it again made it accessible to everyone.  Not just Raiders or powersellers who could put multiple amounts of gold to be the first on the server to own a pattern.   Supply and demand will be your direct reasoning on what you should acquire first when they become available.

Developers have before used a current ore and created the ability for prospecting to be done for raw epic gems from the material    In this case the highest ore in the game is  Pyrite Ore,  which is used for multiple patterns in different crafting items.   Alchemists use it for Truegold transmutes.   Blacksmiths use it to craft ebonsteel belt buckles.  My personal belief is that this is the method that the developers will use to propagate raw epic gems into the warcraft marketplace.

It is possible that the developers will use a new type of ore to add raw epic gems into the game play.   This would be something new from their previous game models and would shake up a lot of the market.   It would create a large supply and demand for the new ore and miners would own the market for multiple weeks.

Another possibility is the introduction of a higher version of Jewelcrafting tokens with a larger set of dailies to level the playing field to everyone.   Again this would be a new step
in direction for the developers.   They limited the sales of cut gems with the introduction of armor level limits for socketing.   This prevented lower armor than Cataclysm armor to be socketed with the higher gems.  It is a possibility that they will do the same for 4.3
raid/instance armor and require only epic gems in this armor.   Or only allow epic gems to be put in this higher level armor.  Either way would limit the amount of gem sales and would shake the Auction house speculation to it's core. 

Also possible with the amount of power that is put in armor currently,  epic gems may be complete left out of future patches.    Considering that the developers usually end up creating epic gems one and a quarter more powerful than the uncommon gems.   For instance:  burning crusade gems went from +10 for their epic cuts such as Delicate Crimson Spinel to Delicate Cardinal Ruby during wrath epic gem availability.   This addition more than doubled the stats granted per gem socketing.     The developers may want to limit the power that the gems have and might eliminate the introduction of Epic Gems as a whole    Believing that this would be a very small possibility but still should be considered for your overall strategy.

So with that information I will introduce my overall strategy for both the Jewelcrafter and the non jewelcrafter.    This makes it available to every player instead of just a Maximum skilled Jewelcrafter or miner.

[Addendum:  Epic Gems drop in Raids Only.according to Ghostcrawler in an interview    I will keep the initial strategy up on this entry.    Blizzard has added before that their intentions were to do one major change in the production of content or raw materials.  Where later they offer a different production due to difficulty or user discussion.]

Jewelcrafting Strategy:

First step is to either restart or continue to do your daily token quests.   If inflation  continues like normal it will cost between 5-6 tokens per epic gem pattern.    I'm expecting approximately 200 tokens to be able to acquire every epic pattern for patch 4.3.    Even if these patterns become available from other methods,  there will be chimera eyes available for purchase for crafting as well as PVP patterns that have been introduced in the past patches.  With a low risk for these investments moneywise other than your time spent and the cost of the materials to finish the quests you end up being farther to your monetary goals.    As you continuing to do the Obsidium/Elementium shuffle (discussed in the JMTC forums here) then you should have multiple mats to use on these dailies.      When the information is first data mined and presented (keep an eye on JMTC to be one of the first journals to present breaking information to it's readers).  Plan ahead to make sure that you know exactly what ones you want to purchase first.   I always suggest purchasing the big three single stat gems patterns first (+agi,  +int and +str) then purchase your next stackable tanking gem (+stam).    Future purchases can be done using a supply and demand method depending on your server economy requirements.   Ultimately the strategy would be to have enough gem tokens to purchase most if not all of the patterns.   Preparing you to be able to supply anything on the Marketplace that is required.

My next suggestion is to start purchasing as much pyrite ore as you can at a set price depending on your server market.    My server (Shandris - US) goes for around 9 gold per ore but can consistently be found for 5-6 per ore.   This may seem like a large investment but this is going to be the bulk of your sales possibilities.   Also this will be your safety margin.    Pyrite will end up being in very short availability if epic gems are prospected from the ore.   This will cause not just a rise in the raw materials.  but also will cause the truegold and ebonsteel belt buckle prices to go higher.   Your safety net is that you will have this available to sell to not just Jewelcrafters,  but to blacksmiths,  and alchemists as well.    Your risk/reward is still large if something happens that no epic gems are introduced.  Or some other limitation is placed that limits access to Epic Gems.  But you will still have these items to sell to regain some of the losses.

On a non commodity strategy.  Be prepared to not sleep patch day.  At minimum  be prepared to post as much and as fast as possible.  You will be undercut that day quickly.   and continually.   Jewelcrafting will again be the belle of the ball when it comes to money making.    Patience is also a great weapon to have when it comes to making gold.  Let people burn through their stocks on patch day.  And then save your amount of pyrite for server raid days and weekends.    Time your stocking of raw materials and raw/cut gems for when they are at their highest demand.    Take the opportunity to know who your heavy hitters are on a server,  and add them to your friends list to keep an eye on when they continually add their auctions.   If you are the only one online,  post multiples of those Gems or Stacks of ore  that are selling well.      Assume that your sales will be out of date and undercut 2 hours after you have posted them.    If the item are not sold within that 2 hour period,  then the odds become less and less that it will sell on that posting cycle.   Cancelling and relisting the auction will give you a better sales average than letting the auction run it's normal timed course. 

Be prepared for people to list stacks of ore very low.    Undercutting is an art form to the power auctioneer.   Jumping on a low price will be very necessary if you want to maximize your profit.     Keep a 20% rule in mind.  If a stack of ore can be purchased and flipped for 20% profit.    Invest the money and reap the rewards.    Watch your server trade channel for people wanting to empty their stockpiles quickly.    With a heavily fluctuating market;  resourceful powersellers will be prepared to step back and regroup and let the other less experienced auction sellers eat at their own resources too quickly.    Then as the stocks dwindle control the prices for a larger profit.    You have an extended amount of time to show your profits while others will be faced with a panic of  a "get my money now" philosophy.

Non Jewelcrafter Strategy

The Non Jewelcrafter will have to rely on using stocking principles for Pyrite Ore and prepared to buy Raw Epic Gems to resell.    With limited revenue streams, there is a higher risk than for a Jewelcrafter.  But the same ideals apply when it comes to pyrite being a safe investment.  A smart investor will always have an "out" to limit losses if speculation does not occur exactly as hoped.

Another option would be to hire a jewelcrafter to prospect the ore for you.   Allowing you access to epic gem blanks.   I would suggest to work with a guild member.   They would appreciate the gold for a little work,  and would be less likely to take your materials and run to make a profit for themselves.    One of your chat channels should give you exactly what they "loot" from the prospected ore.  So there is no question of whether an item was obtained from the prospecting.     Offer a tip compensating the amount of work they did,  and then sell the raw epic gems on the auction house or through trade chat.

Continuing speculation will be going on as we march to patch 4.3 and beyond.  Part of the enjoyment is to be able to discuss not just what your planning on doing,  but why you think it will be a winning strategy.   Leave me a message to show just how you did.  Or offer a drink to those that didn't plan ahead and can only wish they were a part of Jewelmas.

Want to get in contact with me? . Email me at Dragonbearjoe @ gmail. dOT com or find me on twitter at "@Dragonbearjoe" or leave a comment here.   Would love to know how your experience with this tip works out.

Prospecting Gold Guide

Hey there JMTC!

Kynalla here, and today I'm bringing you a long time favorite gold tip of mine, prospecting Thorium Ore.

Check the video out :)

As I stated in the video, the reason this gold tip is successful is because the gems obtained from prospecting the Thorium Ore are used by Jewelcrafters who are leveling up. I've power-leveled many professions in my days of gold-making, and one thing that I've learned is that I'm a very impatient person, and I'm definitely not the only power-leveler who feels this way. By selling these gems, (depending on your server) you will thrive from people power-leveling their professions because of the demand for these mats, and the lack of supply.

There are five gems that are obtained from prospecting Thorium Ore:

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Diversifying Saronite Ore

Most of you have a truckload of two ( ten in my case ) of saronite ore stashed away in a personal guild bank somewhere, right? Now you're probably asking yourself, what do I do with all of this ore?

Cataclysm has been out for two weeks, Lich King materials are starting to get some inflation in due to people not farming the materials so heavily, and I know most of you are just itching to sell your stockpile as soon as possible. I am going to tell you exactly what to do with all of that Saronite ore, how to properly diversify it to produce as much profit from it as possible.

Smelt it
Smelt the ores into bars, by doing so you're turning the ore into a 200% ROI, which is awesome in my opinion. You can sell the ore raw, but personally it's only going for 17-20/stack on my server, while the bars go for 45-55g per stack. Another way to go is to sell the bars to a vendor, I don't recommend this option as you're basically making back what you've spent, only do the price for saronite has crashed, which it should.

Transmute it
Make the ores into bars and then transmute it into titanium bars. While this isn't as big of a profit, use the bars to make items. The enchanting titanium rod is selling great due to the lack of titanium in the market. Make other titanium items if possible and sell them to levelers. If you cannot utilize the bars, sell them as is, they'll generally sell easily.

Prospect it

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Prospecting Titanium Ore: Math and Results


To prospect or not to prospect...

Average Prospecting Results for Titanium Ore
  • Uncommon Gems - 6 per stack.
  • Rare Gems - 1 per stack.
  • Epic Gems - .75 per stack.
  • Titanium Powder - 3 per stack.
Now let's look at the prices of the worst possible gems on my server. For me that would be uncommon shadowcrystals, forest emeralds, and Eye of Zuls. On my server Eye of Zul can sell for 75 gold if you ignore undercutters and allow server demand to remove them (I think people buy these for epic cloaks more than anything else). The forest emeralds are not worth selling or using in transmutes over other gems so I cut and vendor them for 4.5 gold each. Uncommon shadowcrystals are difficult to get rid of and I usually sell them for about 3 gold each either in the form of focusing lens or cut gems. Titanium powder goes for a good 25 gold each but usually I can jack the price up to as much as 40.

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