Nobody Knows the Golems I Have Sold

Posted by J.E. Douglas at 11:25 AM

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Last week the first of the Sky Golems rolled off the engineering production line.   Lets grind out the numbers from the undermine journal to see where we are at:

(Numbers from horde side of the undermine journal)
(I'm using horde side numbers but alliance side will be similar in this case)

Average sales (horde side) 106062g
Market Price (Shandris server) 65,000g

Think of that Average sale as the everything clicks just right and the right buyer gets an itchy finger absolutely wanting that winged wonder for their collection.

Later, looking through the numbers you can see

678 available (horde side)

This is across all of the severs.  So there is a generous amount of these available (there is not a way to be able to tell whether these are flips or actually crafted by engineers.  Let's assume 10% of these are flipped and the rest was crafted).

So you have 30 days minimum between crafting of these per engineer.  The biggest question is should they be sold now or later?

Also don't forget to add that there are two pets (Pierre and Rascal Bot) which require half the materials to create.   These two items are going to affect posted sales for the Sky Golems being crafted. 

But for what has a cool factor of 10 and everyone was drooling over since it was rumored.  Why are these not falling off the shelves in droves?   I would propose that the majority of players who want them cannot afford them.

Follow my train of thought here.  Most players have not the wealth that the upper echelon of gold makers have.  They stumble their way around playing wow,  scraping up enough to pay for a few odds and ends.  Even with the gold pinata that is Timeless isle the majority of players are living paycheck to paycheck to borrow a phrase.

We have an example of this with the Mechano-hog sales that occurred during the Lich King expansion.  For an item that had a minimum crafting cost of between 12-14k there were players that assumed these were easy to craft.  So they would bid 10k.. 9k  even to the point of people arguing they should be only worth 5k in gold.  So now you have an item that costs 3 times the amount of gold just from the start to craft and add a minimum amount of time per each production.  Players do not have the gold to be able to meet the minimum bar needed to purchase.

I have personally flipped two of these for a nice profit and purchased one for myself.  Basically with the profit I made from the two flips I was able to purchase the third one.   But why would I purchase these instead of crafting them myself (I have two engineers that have the pattern and have enough of the materials to craft it by themselves).   Because in the short term the players that had enough money to buy them also had engineers of their own.  So the first one that was produced went into their own collection.  They didn't need it so they weren't buying them from the Auction House.

Obviously the undermine journal says that there are sales for the Sky Golems.  So the money is out there.  But don't be disappointed if your Golems aren't rolling off the shelves.   These are high return items and shouldn't be discounted because you want your profit now.  All that practice from flipping gems and gear will look like chump change when you get into this high cost bracket.  People will start to discount their Golems for a quick profit.  But I am still occasionally selling one of my Mechano-hogs (and have kept the materials on hand) even through two expansions.  10,000g profit now vs 50,000g profit later becomes a no brainer.

So as your flying in your new toy (and it is a blast) keep your head above the water and know your not alone in looking for the next golem sale.  It will happen and you will enjoy rolling around in the gold.

Good Luck and Good Hunting

Want to get in contact with me? . Email me at Dragonbear @ gmail. Dot com or find me on twitter at "@JMTCMommar" You can find me hanging out on the Shandris Server, chat me up, and I will buy you a glass of juice. 

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Gold Mercenary

Posted by J.E. Douglas at 11:28 AM

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As long as I've been playing World of Warcraft and making gold I've been a member of a guild.  All of these guilds have been self sufficient in their personal crafting as well.  If someone needed something crafted or needed an extra item it was generally either in the guild bank or someone would send it to you.

But at some point when your playing you might realize that you are putting more into the guild than the guild is putting into your enjoyment of the game.  It may be a matter of no longer being on the raiding schedule because you aren't as good as others.  It may be timing or even a personality conflict.  This is a part of the Warcraft life in general.  People come and people go because many times the friendships you have in a game are ethereal in nature.  You are letters on a screen and maybe even a voice on Ventrillo.  But that interpersonal communication isn't there anymore.

This is where a decision can be made in your gaming and gold making career.  Is it time to leave for another guild?   Or just to stay in the guild and be a guild member in name only.  Call it being a mercenary of sorts that you accept the role of fill in when a member is sick.  Can this type of attitude help to increase your gaming enjoyment even more?

I have been a proponent of taking your gold making to the next level for your own personal reasons.  No one should tell you specifically why to make gold.  They can offer suggestions on what your motivation might be for making large quantities of gold.   Ultimately your own reason is what should be pushing your motivation to dominate a game or to stay in the background.  Whichever you choose a big part of these decisions is what you do with your gold.

My own personal story has been laid out over the months I have written here.   Making gold for my guild and providing what crafting was needed for others was a major motivation to play more and more.  Once I stepped down as lead tank for one of the guilds and took a dps position my personal fortune was more focused on what I wanted.   Which mounts and which pets were the most important to me.  Still retaining my personal beliefs in selling to guild mates and my contributions to others.  Changes happen to everyone the longer they play the game of Warcraft.

So as you see your guild winding down,  with less and less people showing interest in raiding.  When your position in the guild changes to second string or even follower it becomes time for a decision.  Is it time to change your motivation towards the guild and become a mercenary for your own self?

Good Luck and Good Hunting


Want to get in contact with me? . Email me at Dragonbear @ gmail. Dot com or find me on twitter at "@JMTCMommar" You can find me hanging out on the Shandris Server, chat me up, and I will buy you a glass of juice. 

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The Guild: Striking A Tone of Sales

Posted by J.E. Douglas at 8:00 AM

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Mommar here.

If you have read these articles for a bit you've heard my story of why I started learning how to make gold in wow.   The short of the story was that I wanted to be productive for my raiding guild and try to obtain patterns and gold to advance the group.

Selling to your guild mates is a tricky subject.   Some guilds charge for everything.  Guild members sell crafting items or potions.  Some mages will even sell access to their water and food creations.   Other guilds have a completely cooperative attitude when it comes to guilds services.  

With the guild ranks,  gold for the guild bank became much easier.   With rank 16 guilds receiving an automatic deposit into the guuild bank with each looting of a killed mob.  (Cash Flow Perk).   Before this a guild member had to directly deposit gold into the guild bank.   From this repairs could be deducted depending on what the guild master had allowed for guild members.

The idea is just how valuable is your guild when it comes to your gold making experience?    Many times guild banks are full of items that just sit there for a long time.  Gaining virtual dust that other players might find valuable.   Sitting down with your guild master and working out a deal to empty out some of the less useful items.   You even have the choice of working out on a commission basis or just buying the items outright.  

The one caveat with something like this is that you should want to stay in the good graces of your guild.  If you put on your gold goblin hat and put the squeeze on your guild for a few extra gold,  they will remember this when you need something.   An extra gold piece is not worth bad feelings between guild members.

This was one of the reasons for my personal gold making I decided not to sell to fellow members.  The only time that I broke this rule was when someone was taking advantage of the guild.   If I find items that I have a difficult time selling (some glyphs,   older gems etc) I would drop them into the guild bank.  Many times on purpose I would drop items that were in demand by guildmates for their own use.  Meta diamonds are always in demand.   This was during the Wrath expansion and I took a look at who had been taking items out of the guild bank.   I noticed that all of the raw meta diamonds I had placed in there had been removed.   Not a big deal since I figured they were being used to level.

I took a look at the auction house and noticed that all of my meta diamonds had been undercut.   Unfortunately it had been by the person who had removed them from the guild bank.  I talked to my guild master and they were confronted.   They said they were using it to recooperate the cost of the leveling of there jewelcrafting.   I had a problem with this since I had no intentions of suplementing someone's crafting with my production.  Ultimately they left the guild in a huff.

Another time I broke my rule for not selling to guild matest due to abuse by another player in the guild.  They had just recently been brought into the guild and were asking everyone for items to 'level'.   Being in a friendly guild many people were donating.   But even in the most friendly of guilds there comes a limit.  Going with my gut feeling on everything I started to sell at cost the items they were looking for.   Jumping onto another toon that the player didn't know not from the guild I told them I had heard 'rumors' they were selling items.   Getting them to tell how they were 'taking advantage' of their guild wasn't to difficult.   In this case instead of presenting my evidence to the guild I just talked to the people he was buying from and made sure that they were getting full value for their materials.   Once again the player left the guild shortly after.

Selling to your own guild can be tricky at best.  You have to measure both your motive and the motive of your fellow guildmates.  Keeping a healthy attitude between each other can be beneficial to both.  

Keep what you want in mind and whether the risks are truly worth the rewards.  Sometimes not selling is just as beneficial as a room full of gold.

Good Luck and Good Hunting


Want to get in contact with me? . Email me at Dragonbearjoe @ gmail. dOT com or find me on twitter at "@JMTCMommar" You can find me hanging out on the Shandris Server, chat me up and I will buy you a glass of juice. 

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