Road to WOD: Finish Your Chores

Posted by J.E. Douglas at 11:37 AM

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One of the most difficult things to do is to keep motivated.  Wait,  I think I've said that over and over again.  You probably get the idea that the next 3-4 months will be a little bit more of a drag for the average player.  Many players will be logging on less and less during the week as the Mists of Pandaria expansion gets a little bit less shine on the content.

Getting prepped for the next expansion, Warlords of Draenor, can add a little bit of purpose to your gaming life.  One of the prep items is your long abandoned farm in Halfhill.

You remember Halfhill?   The place that was o so awesome at the beginning of MOP?   Finishing your daily runs to open up new land to farm.  Yes,  that's right World of Warcraft had become World of Farm Craft.

So why should these plots of land become important in your future setup during Warlords of Draenor?  One item that will continually be able to be made are the Motes of Harmony.  Right now most players have a stockpile of these things in their inventory.  Turning them in every so often for cash and prizes from the different vendor.  I spend many of them on the Black and White Trillium ore for crafting purposes.   Come WOD this won't be as important.  Except that material could easily become much more scarce come WOD.

Look at the logic.  We know that there are massive changes coming with WOD when it comes to gathering.  No longer will players be needing to go to older expansion zones to gather items.  This could easily mean that items such as Trillium ore and herbs become that much more valuable.

The other thing to look at is your own crafting needs.   Engineering has received a long term blessing because they have pets that can be crafted.  Right now they are much more expensive due to the length of time to craft (Jard's Peculiar Energy Source) and many people not continuing to craft these during the next expansion.  Older crafting pets can be a good source of income with the next expansion.  For 10 minutes of work a day (farming your crops,  replanting) and then finishing your daily you could easily next a large amount of coin.

Other professions might not be as lucky when it comes to pets, but they still have opportunities.  Simply just flipping purchased ore and herbs on the Auction House can add more money into your coffers.   Where the main profit making of these items might not always be available,  alternative options of selling can add much more profit into your bank.

Many players will just start with a clean slate when the WOD expansion opens its doors.  Taking advantage of your knowledge and your preparation can give you that gold making advantage that others won't have.

Good Luck and Good Profit Hunting

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Determining Value: Spirits of Harmony

Posted by J.E. Douglas at 12:42 PM

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When Mists of Pandaria expansion was released Spirits of Harmony was the original crafting material necessary to make high end armor and weapons.   As the expansion continued different spirits were introduced (Blood Spirit,  Haunting Spirit etc.).    In this discussion we're going to talk about the Spirits of Harmony.

If you have done any dailies in Isle of Thunder you should have a decent amount of Spirits sitting in your inventory.  While finishing my dailies I usually end up with between one and three a day.   Combine this with having my farm in Halfhill producing 16 motes of Motes of Harmony I generally can end up with 5 or more per day to work with.   As with any crafting mat,  the higher the mob killed generally the better chance of having one of the Motes of Harmony drop for you.    So at level 87 mob will probably not have as plentiful a loot table when it comes to Motes of Harmony as does the level 90-92 mobs sitting in Isle of Thunder or Isle of Giants.    Now I'm sure someone will point out that this is faulty calculations because they know if they sit farming in one place for long enough they will stock up on motes.   Your milage always may vary depending on what farming technique you have.

The easiest way to determine the value of your Sprit currently is based on your professions.   Blacksmithing, Tailoring and Leatherworking has the most outlets to determine value.   Here's an example.


Masterwork Ghost Forged Blade
(prices based from theunderminejournal.com)

This item takes

Ghost Iron Bar x 12 (88g)
Kyparite x 30  (88g)
Spirits of Harmony x 5 (to be determined).

If the sales price of this ends up being 5000g then you walk away with a profit of 4700g.   Rough math would show that each of those spirits of harmony = 900+ per.   Technically they aren't truly worth 900g because if you were only able to sell the weapon for 4000g that would lower the value per Spirit.  Also you are not including labor time and the amount of time it cost to farm.   Still this gives you a baseline value of what a Spirit would cost.

The assumption also has some difficulties with the idea that you put a sword in the Auction House and it's guaranteed to sell.  Anyone who has sold on the Auction House knows this isn't always true.

Let's look a higher value item with our base calculations.

Bloodforged Warfists

This item takes

Blood Spirit x 6 (4798g)
Living Steel x 6 (2982g)
2 Spirits of Harmony

If our sales price for this ends up being close to the mean Avg sale (22000g) then you end up with a much larger profit (14220g) per Spirit of Harmony).   Again this becomes a rough calculation based on how many sales you are able to obtain.  The farther along that the raiding schedule becomes,  players are less apt to buy high end items instead of just waiting for looking for raid items.

Many of the new patterns that drop from the new profession mechanics also use Spirits of Harmony for their crafting.  Being ilvl 522 these will be in high demand.  The problem being the availability of Haunting Spirits which are only obtainable from Disenchanted 522 raid items.   The Haunting Spirits aren't available from disenchanting looking for raid items which will put a kink in obtaining them for crafting.

So what sparked this expedition into simple math?   It was an advertisement found in trade chat a couple of days ago.  A player was advertising the creation of a Masterwork Phantasmal Hammer.   The player had all the materials and was willing to pay 250g per Spirit used.   This would net a profit of 250 x 5 = 1250g.  Not a bad amount of profit.   But if you do the simple math you can see that it isn't such a good deal.  When I can take 4 of those Spirits of Harmony and craft a Bloodforged Warfist and net almost 6-7 times the profit.

Determining value for your Spirits of Harmony can be as easy or as difficult as you make it.  It all depends on  just how much research you put into your sales.   And how much your time is truly worth.

For me,  I don't roll out of bed unless 250g is involved.

Good Luck and Good Hunting


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Don't Fret Young Farmer

Posted by J.E. Douglas at 11:25 AM

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This is the first full weekend of Patch 5.2.  The story will be told just how the different patterns and changes in the auction house market will come forward.   Since Tuesday it's been lackluster on some servers on some of the items that were predicted to go higher.

One of the lackluster changes to me as far as marketing goes was the reputation orders done at half hill.   Each turn-in (at revered for the chosen faction) ends up netting 800+ reputation points.  This is assuming you have the bonus stone that you can purchase at revered.  For non crafters this might be a benefit if you're not farming for cooking materials or selling raw materials.

But for crafters,  I am having a difficult time seeing the benefits of eating up 8 slots for reputation to a faction. Unless you are desperate to get as much reputation every day towards a faction (ends up maxxing out around 3000 if you do all the dailies at revered + chosen faction for instance + farmed for the faction the day before.   Compare this to storing up 8 motes of harmony towards crafting patterns.   Currently the new Blacksmithing patterns are not available direction (there have been reports of exploits to get to the boss needed to obtain the patterns).   Either way you would have to farm those extra 8 motes towards a crafting pattern through mobs or instances.

Unfortunately the past ability to plant and then dig up isn't available this time for half hill quests.   To fill the requirements of the reputation quest you must both plant and cultivate.   Again this eats up the 8 plots necessary to finish the task.  

The different seeds available do seem to be giving more random materials other than intended.  The Enigma seeds seem to be popping more Golden Lotus.   If the Ghost Iron ore market begins to climb them Snakeroot Seed.

Your determination of what to plant is based on your needs at the time.   But if you're a crafter then your big ticket item should remain the Songbell Seed for the near future.   Non crafters have a much bigger decision to make.

Now,  someone make me a snozzberry seed and I will be a happy farmer.


Want to get in contact with me? . Email me at Dragonbearjoe @ gmail. dOT com or find me on twitter at "@JMTCMommar" You can find me hanging out on the Shandris Server, chat me up and I will buy you a glass of juice. 

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Patch 5.2: Farming For Rep.. With A Farm?

Posted by J.E. Douglas at 12:06 PM

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Mommar here.

Have you ever asked yourself is this the end of what to do in Halfhill?  You run there every day.   You pick your crop,  you invest in more seed,  and you plant more crop.   You do some menial tasks including killing multiple sorts of birds,  rats,  monkeys and even find the occasional apple buried in some dirt.

All of this so that you can cook more and more epicurean delights and maximize your reputation with The Tillers.   Sounds like a barrel of non stop fun and adventure.    Wake me up when the next patch hits.

With patch 5.2 this all changes.   5.2 introduces the idea of work orders that factions around Pandaria will give to you to plant and cultivate materials they can use.   If you remember the original daily dungeon quests in Shattrath city and how they were implemented this will be very similar.  But instead of having to run a dungeon,  you'll need to both plant and pick the assigned vegetables.   Unfortunately if they keep with that idea then there will not be a way to actually stock up on vegetables to sell to complete the daily task.

The new work order program does seem to require two things.   You will need to have opened up all 16 slots on your farm and have obtained Exalted status with The Tillers to start this process.   The does not cover all of the different reputation grinds that have to be done during Mists of Pandaria but it will help shorten up some of the grinds to the more time consuming grinds (Klaxxi,   Golden Lotus).   Requiring all 16 plots.  Icy-Veins.com has a good walk-through on the reputation grind with The Tillers.

Also make sure that once you hit revered you purchase the Grand Commendation that is available from most of the different reputation quartermasters.  This will shorten up your grind from Revered to Exalted.  

So why is this important to gold making?   Well there are two pieces of common logic when it comes to planting in Halfhill.   First finish up the daily from Farmer Yoon,  then either plant Enigma Seed for the chance to obtain random crops and Golden Lotus.  Or plant Song Bell Seed to obtain 16 motes of harmony (1.6 spirits of harmony per day).  This is going with the normal process of planting the Farmer Yoon crop of the day and digging it up to replant whichever plant you choose to let grow.

With the new work order program this could effect the production of Golden Lotus production.   Players might have to fill up between 4-8 of their plots to finish up each daily work order.   If you are planting the Engima seed then that gives you only half the chances of getting the Golden Lotus crops to bloom.   This could easily cause a spike in prices for Golden Lotus sales.     Just keep an eye on your sales and investment opportunities as the stock starts to dwindle.

Halfhill sounds exciting doesn't it?    Okay,  well maybe not all that thrilling unless your into planting and growing more crops on order.   But anything that makes the reputation grinding a little bit easier is a good thing right?   So sharpen up those plows and hoes and lets get ready to plant.  

Good Luck and Good Planting


Want to get in contact with me? . Email me at Dragonbearjoe @ gmail. dOT com or find me on twitter at "@JMTCMommar" You can find me hanging out on the Shandris Server, chat me up and I will buy you a glass of juice. 

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